Defame and fortune: Conservative FOX icon Bill O'Reilly is famously irascible -- a less-polite way of phrasing it is that he can dish it out but is notoriously poor at taking it. Thus, his walkout from an interview on NPR's
Fresh Air came as no surprise to most: after insisting that everyone from Al Franken to
People Magazine was engaged in "defamation" of his character (thus demonstrating a shaky understanding of the relevant law), arguing that the
New York Times had a team of "character assassins" on his trail, and that he was the number-one target of disaffected liberals everywhere, O'Reilly snarled his disgust at interviewer Terry Gross and hung up the phone.
And he was right to do so.
At the beginning of the show, Gross placed the interview in context by mentioning her earlier discussion with O'Reilly's
bete noir Franken. The contrast in tone between the two shows -- both available in audio form from the "Fresh Air" website -- was starkly evident from the first sentence; in her interview with Franken, Gross started by asking the satirist to read from the introduction to his new book and had him tell amusing anecdotes about O'Reilly and the FOX lawsuit, whereas she began her interview with O'Reilly by asking him, "As you probably know, Al Franken was on this show when
his book came out -- are you sorry you sued him?"
The tone went downhill from there, with Gross continually hammering O'Reilly with quotes from Franken and book reviewers unfriendly to the FOX commentator's writings. O'Reilly, for his part, was characteristically snappish, accusing (in one instance) one book critic of
ad hominem attacks, while reserving his right to use the term "pinhead" to describe the reviewer. Nonetheless, O'Reilly generally kept his cool until the very end, when the interview -- until then sailing on the fairly smooth seas of O'Reilly's college years (perhaps one of the few times when an interview about Vietnam-era America was comparatively calm) -- returned to the question of O'Reilly's relationship with his critics.
O'Reilly, in turn, (rather accurately) labeled the interview as "a hatchet job," and turned on Gross in an exchange that shows the worst of both participants:
O'Reilly: Did you do this to Al Franken? Did you? Did you challenge him on what he said?
Gross: We had a different interview.
O'Reilly: Yeah, a different interview. Okay? Fine. Fresh Air? Is this what Fresh Air is? I'll get a transcript of this interview, of the, uh, Al Franken interview. You want me to do that? Compare the two?
(Cross-talk)
Gross: You're, you're welcome to.
O'Reilly: And compare the two? All right, why don't you tell your listeners right now? Were you as tough on Al Franken as you are on me?
Gross: Uh, no.
O'Reilly: No.
Gross: I wasn't.
O'Reilly: You weren't. Okay. Why?
Gross: Well, Al Franken had written a book of political satire.
O'Reilly: Oh, he was satire now, was he? Calling people liars and distorting their faces on the book cover, that's satire now, is it? And my book, "Who's Looking Out For You," is designed to help people, to show them how, what they have to know to read people in this society in order to succeed. Yet you're easy on Franken but you challenge me. This is NPR. Okay, I think we all know what this is. I think we all know where you're going with this.
Gross: Well --
O'Reilly: Don't we?
Gross: Well, you can [inaudible] --
O'Reilly: [inaudible]
Gross: -- whatever you want to --
O'Reilly: I mean, I'm evaluating this interview very closely.
Gross: Obviously you are.
O'Reilly: Now we've spent, we've spent now, all right --
Gross: Uh-huh.
O'Reilly: Fifty minutes of me being, defending defamation against me in every possible way, while you gave Al Franken a complete pass on his defamatory book. And if you think that's fair, Terry, then you need to get another business. I'll tell you that right now. And I'll tell your listeners, if you have the courage to put this on the air. This is basically an unfair interview, designed to try and trap me into saying something that Harper's can use. And you know it! And you should be ashamed of yourself. And that is the end of this interview.
Gross: Oh, so you're not going to give me the chance to ask a follow-up question? You have to make a speech and have the last word? (Pause) You're gone. (Pause) Okay. I guess that's the answer to that question. (Laughs) He just walked out.